Plugin phobics rant

[P3rv3rt B3ar]

Ok, there is one single attitude which annoys me considerably and it seems to be particularly troubling only on this board. I decided to call people suffering from it "plugin phobics". Sadly it seems that plugin phobia must be condition of spreading kind, how do u otherwise explain such a high concentration of terminal cases in such small population, allthough other explaining factor could be high avarage age of population, old age causes senilicism, which manifests itself with behavior typical to condition like plugin phobia, that is avoiding everything new and novell, basicly anything which could make subject experience little mental strain.

How do i diagnose "plugin phobic"? Its remarkably easy, just listen the following discussion, happening between forum frequent and plugin phobic. Note that discussion here is not referring to any single particular one here, but generilized one which is a template for uncountable number f discussions here:

Plugin Phobic: God damn why on earth does not Xlobby have function X.
Xlobbyist: Oh, just use program A with plugin I.
Xlobbyist2: I use program B with plugin J, that is even better!!
Plugin Phobic: I have never used plugin!!! and i never will!!!! Steven must implement function X for me incore!!!!

<end of discussio>

Allthought i tried to present this problem as humoristicly as i could, i consider it is far from funny though. If u recognise yourself in above discussion, please try to explain why is your stand on issue what it is, mayby we can found a way to cure your "plugin phobia" or atleast stop it from spreading.

Dr. Bear

[bmblank]

Simply stated, plugins make things more complex. When the user has to install more things, that's more of a chance for the user to get things wrong. Each plugin is another chance to screw up a good thing.
I have a slight case of plugin phobia. Not to the point that I WON'T USE THEM AT ALL COSTS, but to the point that, hey, this program already has a function to do this, why the hell should I complicate things by getting a DIFFERENT function to do the same thing? Take USBUIRT for example. Xlobby already does this. Why should I go and learn girder when I already know xlobby?? I shouldn't. Problem solved.

I understand both sides. And besides, if they don't want to do it, then that's they're problem.

[P3rv3rt B3ar]

Problem is the fact that Steven is just one man, allthough mighty one, but still just one man. Theres limit how much one man can do. Then if somebody asks (or rather demands) Steven to implement something which can be already done better with plugin and external program... valuable Steven time is wasted on something with 0-value (or actually negative value, due to the added bloatness of XL), while some mission critical bugs still exists in important functions of XL.

And BTW try Girder, it is great... ull be sold after realising how it works... and never wanna go back pregirder era again. I have to say, that i too was avoiding girder way too long.

[XLOBBY_RANT]

I must admit this post made me laugh. Here you are complaining about forum members not wanting to use plug-ins when YOUR plug-ins are buggy!

Needles to say not much progress with xPerT, im having very low motivation with it cause of all the bugs...

http://www.xlobby.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4875&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:07 pm

Can’t you see the irony? Probably not. But as you opened the door let me share my “one single attitude which annoys me considerably”. It is yours.

Want to announce to the world how many times you got drunk today? Set up a blog – don’t waste space on this forum with your “My Thread”. You are not that interesting.

And what’s with the sex hang up? P3rv3r B3ar, PervTalk, Raped Dragon and porn movie screen shots in your posts. I would expect this from some hormonally overactive pre-teen poster on MySpace but I get the feeling you are older than that. I would suggest professional help.

You are rude, dismissive and condescending to the other members on this board then hide behind claims of “straightness and bluntness” You call it what you want – everyone else calls it conceited and egotistical.

[bmblank]

Now THAT made me laugh!!!

[samgreco]

I think it is easy for those of us that are very technical to forget that there is a huge group of casual users out there that are not. I see this everyday with my coworkers and my wife. What seem a no-brainer and second nature for me, seems completely foreign to them.

And sometimes people are misunderstood here because of language barriers and seem demanding. Gee, I seem to remember a time that it happened to you, P3rv3rt B3ar.

I hate seeing this forum turn into one of those rude, bickering places. It has been immune to that for so long. Sigh.

I have been on this board since the beginning (well March 2003 anyway) and have always felt that the group here was the most helpful and most respectful group f any of the forums I have been on. Let's try and keep it that way please.

[P3rv3rt B3ar]

I must admit this post made me laugh. Here you are complaining about forum members not wanting to use plug-ins when YOUR plug-ins are buggy!

Needles to say not much progress with xPerT, im having very low motivation with it cause of all the bugs...

Can’t you see the irony? Probably not. But as you opened the door let me share my “one single attitude which annoys me considerably”. It is yours.

Want to announce to the world how many times you got drunk today? Set up a blog – don’t waste space on this forum with your “My Thread”. You are not that interesting.

Let me answer on this one.... First of all what is very funny is, your need to create all new alter ego just to tell me that.

This thread has really nothing to do with the fact that theres no xPerT users. Im talking about plugins in general here... if u must know reading about thread of new zoomplayer plugin and user there commenting "plugins as last resort" was last straw which made me start to this thread (allthought not single cause, ive been following forum for a while and that behavior seems very common).

Well i guess name of "my thread" leaves room for misunderstanding. But its no more Bears thread than "my documents" folder in your windows system belongs to Bill Gates. The name is copied from another forum, which has thread with similar purpose, basicly people just bullshitting everything around hobby and well everything else. I tried to explain it in 1st post. Ok i made a lot of postings there, but just as effort to get thing going... the point is it shouldnt be about me... it should be about us all.

[Marbles_00]

I'm a little confused as to how you relate that post about Zoomplayer to your rant? I think you mis-understood what the poster was trying to say. First for all, here is the post:
http://www.xlobby.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4995

I think all he was trying to say was that there is no need for a plugin when he thinks it is just a setting with Zoomplayer or Xlobby not set right...which in most minds is perfectly understandable.

My 2 cents, though no one asked, but hey... that's the power of forums, about this subject on whole, I have to agree with samgreco, everyone learns at their own pace....today they might be reluctant to use a plugin...tomorrow they think....where was I before I started to use that plugin.

Each to their own.

I do agree with you on one thing. It's pretty low that someone had to use an "alter ego" called Xlobby_Rant...be a man, if your going to swing back, at least take it like a man. I've had my "discussions" with other posters...post done, we move on, no big deal. But ducking behind a different name...one word....WUSS!

[defrag]

At the end of the day, how many xlobby users have exactly the same requirements. Steven is not telepathic, nor can he predict the future!! I look at all the plugins that are available and how many do I use? 2!! My needs are completely different to others as there's are to mine. If I can bend xlobby to do things that isn't listed then hooray for me, if I find a bug along the way I'll mention it. But the important thing here is we all chose xlobby becuase we believe it can do what we want better than the other offerings out there.

Get a grip - this program is superb and if people want to extend it , all well and good - but if it doesn't do what you want and nobody will do it for you then just do what you do with any piece of software - go elsewhere.

There are some very good plugins out there, some better than others all doing things to extend functionality - but they are never going to suit everyone - that would take forever.

That's my feelings and I'm sticking to them!!

[P3rv3rt B3ar]

I'm a little confused as to how you relate that post about Zoomplayer to your rant? I think you mis-understood what the poster was trying to say.

Yes, that is very possible, even likely. Like i said "last resort" was just cork opener... Anti-anti-plugin fumes have been bottling for a while, hence the rant. Thats what rant is all about...

But yeah Samgreco made me think about misunderstanding tone of posts, and remind me about time that happen to colby, while reading mine. Wasnt really nice experience.

So i want to stress here, even thought i mentioned that particular post, as a bottle opener. My rant is not directed toward any particular post, or any poster, but rather towards general attitude.

However my point of view still stays firm. People here keep pestering Steven to implement something, which is possible to do with plugins (mayby even several ways) just because they feel lazy to teach themselfs how to use plugin, even if help here on forums is available, i think that is outrageous. If u guys want examples X-10 comes first to mind.

[bmblank]

I think what started out as some friendly banter is escalading to something more...

[P3rv3rt B3ar]

I think what started out as some friendly banter is escalading to something more...

I guess i got little provoked by that XLOBBY_RANT dude... ill better take little time to cool out

[Mannyman]

Hello everyone,
My name is Manny and I have Plug-in Phobia.
(Here's where you all say "Hi, Manny!")
I am willing to go to group sessions if any are available.

I think my disease started as a child when I literally inserted a butter knife into an electrical outlet. From that point on I've had an irrational fear of plugging, or as my wife can attest to; sticking anything into anything else.

I've been taking baby steps in my first steps to recovery by using the X-Receive plug-in (thanks again, Packstlaurent). I've also managed to use the weather plug-in without breaking into a sweat or crying uncontrollably.

I'd like to ask for everyone's patience and understanding as I move into the more advanced steps of the recovery process (x-event, x-script, x-move window...).

Thanks for listening...

[P3rv3rt B3ar]

Thats more like it...

Lets all give big applaude to Manny for coming out of the closet and sharing his fears.



Dr. Bear

PS. as we can see here, recovery is gradual process each step is worth fighting for, start yours today!

[bmblank]

I don't have a problem...

I can use a plugin any time I want... I just don't want to...

Just because I don't like them doesn't mean I have a problem...

I'm not the only guy who doesn't like plugins!

Fine, so I don't like plugins, big whoop!

I wish everybody would just stop bothering me about my plugins!

I'm outta here!
And you guys call yourselves my friends...